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ROUT Mr. & Mrs. Arthur

Oral Interview Conducted by Belle Brown in 1986.

Part One. Edited.

Talking about their experiences….

“When you've got nothing to start with, by the God it's an uphill battle!

Yes, yes. And I suppose, you know, for your meals and that - did you have to rely on, you know, kangaroos?

Kangaroo and rabbit.

You could eat the kangaroo, the rabbit in particular. Yes, used to put them in the pot with some onions and that and we used to think it was delicious - roasting, stuffing and all those things.
And now they pay big money for a rabbit.

Water: 
Not water about anywhere much, in the early days - you put down the dams, they were only small.

Pigs:
"We've had a saga of pigs! Had pigs everywhere, bar in the bedroom! (LAUGHTER)
Used to run 'em in the paddocks. Pigs. That's really how we got a start.
(After the war) Once prices come we got on our feet and we were alright then. Things were a lot better.

Social occasions:
For a long time we had Christmas - once a year we used to go t o the Christmas Tree, that's about all we'd get”. Not much time or energy left - didn't have the facilities either.
Mrs Jack Moir started cards down at the Salt River Hall and that was nice to go down there .....
Cards and dances and that sort of thing….and they finished off with a dance, like. They had somebody - her daughter played the piano, Connie. It used to be very nice.
There was school sports and that.

Church services:
These were held regularly “up at Borden. We went up to Borden to church service there for a while but Mr. - the Baptist came out to our little school and he used to hold a service in the school there…it was nice. I think it was ....Well, we liked it.

Their house:
When they first moved to Ivanhoe they had to live in “tents and a humpy and that sort of thing”
Ian was born in their tent.
When Anne was born in 1935/36 they had moved in to the house.
Arthur: “I built a - I built a building, you know. And put bags round it. Tin on the roof and bags round it, and then whitewashed the bags. That kept it out”.
Bathroom?:
"Oh no, no. Not even when we went into the house. We used to bath in the tub in the kitchen”.
Mrs Rout: a while back I counted the houses that my Mother lived in from the day I could remember. Well, there was one that I was born in I think, but I don't remember that, but the others - but there was never a bathroom.
No. No, I think most people were the same, weren't they?….I just wonder now how in the world we kept clean, I really do”.

Bush Sheds:
And then I built a big bush shed. I don't know whether you've ever seen any of the bush sheds?
……They put the posts in and just leave the cracks in them and put tea - tea-trees...(then).... a roof all over it, and every breeze blows through”.

Preserving food:
"And then the Kalgoorlie safe- We used to cure bacon, you know, in them places, (we) had a big one of them wherever we were”.

Tough times:
" Give you some idea of what things were like in the depression. I bought - the first lot of sheep I got -or got them through the agent like, I didn't buy them, I had the feed - and I bought the top lot of lambs in the sale for a dollar a head - one and threepence, actually.
I took them home - not many of them, I don't know, 100 to 120 or something - and I sold them in the war for 15 and ninepence.

Wool:
Two shillings. About 28 - 28 pence I think, was about the average of the whole clip during the war.
Of course we only had a very small block. Only had 1100 acres

Noongar Workers:
"there was more natives in Gnowangerup district than what there was anywhere else in Western Australia, I think. Or anywhere else in Australia. naring the war they done most of the shearing and the clearing and everything else.
But you'd have to give them a big order up at the Co-op and take - well first of all go up and pick 'em up and tell them what you want to do and then take 'em and show them - and it was miles! And then take - go back and get what they wanted, and they'd want talcum powder and toothpaste and sandshoes - you name it - and then the next morning they were gone and so is the sandshoes and everything and we'd end up with a big bill up at the Co-op. I always said only for the natives I would've been a multi-millionaire (LAUGHTER)
Mum's always had a set on 'em.
Mrs Rout: Well, you know, and then I - I saw through them and then I thought "well, we'll take so much out and give them enough for breakfast - butter and so forth - and then a bit more for, see, than the next day" But no, my husbanc wouldn't do that. They got the lot and we had to pay for it. (LAUGHTER) And they'd find out we wanted something just on Katanning Show day and new thing they'd have the toothache so we had to take 'em into town! (LAUGHTER) They're characters, them fellers.

WWII:
But after the war everything changed altogether. There was plenty of work, there was good prices for everything.
Arthur tried to go to the war and joined up and I'm crying me eyes out and I wanted to go home to me Mum. And he went, but the doctors wouldn't pass him so he never got away.

Neighbours:
Mrs Roddy Moir was our closest neighbour. I could see her house, it was just down from my place.
I think there was 20 - (PAUSE) quite a lot, somewhere around 20 Moirs an about 19 Wellsteads in the Post Office with Borden when we first went there. Terrific mob.
Mrs Strahan, Edna Stone, the Gearys.
Jack Moir was only quite close to us, to our - Ingleburn.

Sport:
That come later for us.
Oh a lot later. About 1953 I think we started to play bowls in Gnowangerup.
(Tennis) Oh we used to play a bit of - when we first come here we used to play a bit of tennis but we used to go about, I don't know, 16 mile in the horse and dray .....
Go off and play a game of tennis and come 16 mile home and then feed she horses at night again….they were always waiting, Hooked in the fence or tied up in barbed wire or some damned thing.

Bowls:
We played bowls against - in fact I put down the Borden bowlin' green.
Well, I didn't put it down but I was the bloke in charge - s'posed to be. They were at me for years to do it…about 1960… no, it was registered in '63 I think.
And Ongerup's went down just after - old Lit Newbey - but I don't know who else - might've been a Carpenter. They come out and seen me and they wanted to know what I thought about that after I put down the other one and I said "Well, you'll have to build the ground up. It's no good of trying to put it on the raw clay".
I know there was plenty of stuff out of the engines (steam engines?) there and they put a layer of that down I think and then some sand and chat, and they made quite a good job there of that. I don't know how it's going now.

Ongerup:
Only when the kids grew up. They used to - they used to play - Ian used to play football in Borden - they used to play Ongerup.

Horse to tractor:
They changed from horses to tractors in 1939.
You had a team of horses and you looked after them. You had to be up at - you had to start - put their feed in at 5 o'clock. If you didn't have their feed in by 5 o'clock - they're terrible slow eaters, horses, and they've got to digest it. And then you had to feed them again at 9 o'clock.
Arthur cut his own chaff.
I did a lot with horses when I was younger.

 

"Billy Western” the tractor:
(A local farmer) shot himself gettin' through the fence or something I think. (About 1935)
They sold the place up. For some reason or other, I s'pose - that was in the Depression too.
It hadn't got over it then and they sold the place. O Neil’s bought it I think.
A Caterpillar tractor 22, was left there, and when the Bank manager come out and had a look at the place, he told me no argument about it at all, just give me what money I wanted for that and I said "Well now, if you've got plenty of money, you'd better buy me a tractor and some plant". So he bought the tractor and the plant. We always called the tractor Billy Western, 'cos that's my name. My name was Western.
Oh yes. Really, yes.
We always knew the tractor as Billy Western.
And I kept that tractor for 10 years and I sold it for fifteen hundred pounds!
And I bought it for two hundred and fifty pounds! (LAUGHTER) But I looked after it, you know ....retracked it and .....that sort of thing.
... in those days you could get sleeves to put in your tractor and that…Not like now. When you buy one you just about give away your farm.
 

                     "TAI L-END CHARLIE"          #1
SHOWS FOUR GENERATIONS OF THE ROUT FAMILY
INSPECTNG THEIR CHAMBERLAIN TRACTOR CALLED " TAIL-END CHARLIE"
Rear Left -Right:  SUSAN BOSCH Grand Daughter, BETTY GILMORE Daughter,
Centre:  ARTHUR ROUT, VERA ROUT
Front:   Great Grand Daughters CASSANDRA & MELISSA

Vehicle:
We got a second hand ute, during the - through the pigs, when the - that was the war. The first one we had .....it just had curtains, like - sort of leather curtains, and they were all holes. There was no sort of window in them, you know. Anyway, Meg, she'd have got the sack if they ever found out, but she said she - well she thought she'd get some X-ray plates, so she did that. Oh it was terrible job cleaning. She said "You'll have to get it all off, Mum" because she said they'd get into trouble if they knew. Of course they were the ones that was thrown out, really, and so .....
Put them in for windows in ....Wind break .....anyway we went out with these all in and beautiful and it was warm and snug. Anyway, of course you'd never in those days pass a soldier - if he was a soldier he was in and we were coming along just out near Broomehill and we - a soldier wanted us to stop. Anyway we stopped and he got in and he put his elbow through the first one I put in, so that was the end of the nice snug - and it was Stone, from Borden.
One of the Stones.
So I said "No more picking anyone up!"

Working hours:
Oh, we always got up very early, between 5 and 6 or something like that, but we always knocked off 6 o'clock. We got up early but we finished a bit early.
Then we got the lights, of course, and when Ian come home from school I took on share farming and we used to work around the clock.
He used to drive 12 hours and I'd drive 12 hours.
That was on Mal Milne's property.

 ARTHUR & VERA ROUT'S  60th ANNIVERSARY           #2
Left - Right:    MEG HAMS nee Rout, BETTY GILMORE nee Rout, VERA & ARTHUR ROUT, ANN FLINT nee Rout.
 

Oral History Interview Part Two.
Conducted by Belle Brown in 1986. Edited

Floods:
Mrs Rout: That was all our money gone. Fences and all, and some of the sheep drowned and then the ones that were on a little island - later on we went down to have a look and they were bellowing at us and we couldn't get to them, and I'm crying ....
I think that one big flood when we lost so much, fences and that, it widened that river that goes through the - that could take the water along…..Got rid of a lot of trees there.
The biggest floods we had - oh well, there was floods in the early days too, but the - the biggest flood was in 1955 I think. That was the really big one.
I had 13 paddocks and there was only 2 on the place that didn't have the fences washed out. Because we got the river and the creek right through the joints, you see.
But we took up another block and we put - put all dams about 1000 and 1500 yards but now they've made 'em all about 2-3 or 3000 yards, see. There's a terrible lot of dams meant to hold a lot more water where in the early days that all used to go through, even in the - there wasn't many - well there was no big dams till after the war.
Once the second war was over and the big machinery and that - look at the thousands and thousands and thousands of acres was cleared.
All that I cleared on my place I cleared with an axe ......Just about. Rolled down a little mallee, but most of it was cut down with the axe.
How many acres did you have on that first property?
1100. 1100. 1100 of the best acres in West Australia.
They got 6000 acres now.
Gairdner River, we got one at Gairdner and one more down towards the hills.
There was one lot there that was 3000 acres of scrub, in between where the road goes to Albany and the old road went down to Cranbrook, the real old road that used to go from Jerramungup down to the railway at Cranbrook.
I think it was called the Jerramungup-Cranbrook road.
Come through, through Sandalwood there somehow. Come up through there across the river down to Sandalwood.
(pretty close to the Stirlings?)
Yes. Got a wonderful view.
(Close to the Amelup service station Ian took up a 2000 acre block near the Old Cranbrook Road, there was a little school there, near Smith’s)
Arthur: we didn’t go on picnics to the Stirlings until the kids had grown up, we went a few times when relatives came from over East)

Wildflowers:
When we first come here - the first Christmas we had here, we come down,
Bert (Rout) and his family like, and us, we come down to the gold holes - nice and cool down there see, from up country, and went down there and we went on through and they came asking for volunteers to go and look for a child that got away.
I don't know whether you know when you come round this side of the hills, there's Cooper's place in there.
Oakdale they called it, didn't they?
And they had a big picnic there, a lot of them, and one of the little girls - 5 or 6 years old or something - she got away from them and - oh, they missed her and she was lost of they - so we went home and they wanted some hay for the horses, because there wasn't many cars about - anyhow cars was no good out there - and some of them were bringing horses down, and they got the black trackers - anyhow they found her the next day, dead, with both eyes poked out with the scrub.
They said she was sitting on a log or something and her Grandfather said to her "I want to sit there" and with that she took offence and jumped up and run out into the scrub and of course she got further ... Didn't miss her for a while.

Wildlife:
Mallee Hens, Kangaroos and Rabbits. Dingoes too. When the dingoes were around we used to have to yard out sheep every night for a long time.
Mallee hens are gone. Once the mallee's cleaned up they're gone….when you first fenced, all the animals com up agin' the fence, see - especially if you had fenced out the waterhole or something. Only saw a couple of emus.
Porcupines! We called them the porcu - no, this little anteater - I often see them ….talking about they can't find them now, and another one was here in plenty was delgites.
They burrow. They burrow, they're a cross - what are they? they're something like a little wallaby I s'pose. I don't know if they live underground.
And another one that used to be here when we first started were field mice, hundreds of them….but where that block of Ian's - see that was all cleared all around at or most of it was for some years, and this hunk of timber, some of it was pretty thick, mallee hens nests built up that high - took us 15 to 20 years cropping to get it .....to get it all out..... to disappear altogether.
Hundreds of eggs laid in there you know.
….the bloke that used to go to school with us when we were at Borden, he used to go round and collect all the  - he used to keep himself in eggs just about on the mallee hens' nests out of there - he was working on Pasloe's, not far away from it.
He'd know how long they'd been in there. They'd just lay them and then cover 'em up, and then they come back and they heat it, scratch it down if it's too hot or cover it up a bit more .....
They used - dingoes were pretty bad. A long time ago they used - you had to yard your sheep at night.
We had a trapper - Bundy Weir - for the dingoes) and the mallee hens used to be a darned nuisance, used to set the traps off all the time.

The Poison Block:
That block we cleaned up where lan is now, it was a poison block. Nobody would touch it, it was all fenced out.
And there's no other country, like, round us and - When I was share farming with Mal Milne he said "I'm going down", he said, "to the Lands Office tomorrow." And I said "While you're down in there put in an application for that 3000 acres up there." I said "You got a map, can you see if you can find the numbers of it and that?", and he said "Yes", so he put it in and they - I put it in for lan - put it in Ian's name though, and they wrote back and said I could have 1500 acres of it but they wouldn't let me have any more.
And I said "Well I don't want 1500 acres if I can't get 2000." I said "3000's a good block here.. Soon as you get under that you're battling. You can't handle it, you've gotta go share farming or sometning to make a living." And so they give me 2000 acres but they advised me to put it in my name instead of his. So we got that. We cleared that up.
Poison! You've never seen poison like it!
(Clearing it was) quite easy. So long as you know - that's box poisons, all box.
Oh we cleared it, pulled it down with the bulldozers. We got the first 600 acres done with the bulldozer and then we done it all ourselves after that.
We used to clear up so much, 600 acres we cleared in the first place, and then we burnt it, we got enough fire to burn it and then we pegged it and we walked over it and pulled all the poison, which is a lovely job!
And then we put all the sheep we had on that paddock. Only lost about two sheep doing the 2000 acres.
ust by doing it that way.
 

 

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